Les prévisions 2012 des constructeurs japonais

[Couscousdelight]

Un magazine photo japonais, DCwatch, vient de publier une interview des 8 chefs des départements de recherche et développement de :
Sony, Sigma, Olympus, Pentax, Ricoh, Canon, Nikon & Fuji, (il manque Panasonic)
Voila l'article, en japonais ! 
https://www.impressjapan.jp/pr/monitor/1112_dcm/271201_free.pdf
Les traductions en anglais arrivent peu à peu sur le net, j'essayerais de les poster ici au fur & à mesure.

On sait déjà que Pentax projette de lancer un FF mirrorless, et n'exclue pas de lancer un MF mirrorless. Mr Kitazawa parle aussi de l'ambiance sous l'ére Ricoh, qui est bien meilleure que sous Hoya. (edit : il semblerait que des nouveau cailloux FF sont en préparation chez Pentax)

Pour Olympus, successeur au E-5 en préparation, avec un concept nouveau. Et il présente ses excuses sincères pour tout le binz chez Oly.

[Couscousdelight]

Ca continue, arrivé du Canon evil en  2012.

Tout les appareils Pentax auront désormais une couverture 100% du viseur, même les entrées de gamme.

Ricoh prépare un module K.

[langagil]

Un magazine photo japonais, DCwatch, vient de publier une interview des 8 chefs des départements de recherche et développement de :
Sony, Sigma, Olympus, Pentax, Ricoh, Canon, Nikon & Fuji, (il manque Panasonic)
Voila l'article, en japonais ! 
https://www.impressjapan.jp/pr/monitor/1112_dcm/271201_free.pdf
Les traductions en anglais arrivent peu à peu sur le net, j'essayerais de les poster ici au fur & à mesure.

On sait déjà que Pentax projette de lancer un FF mirrorless, et n'exclue pas de lancer un MF mirrorless. Mr Kitazawa parle aussi de l'ambiance sous l'ére Ricoh, qui est bien meilleure que sous Hoya. (edit : il semblerait que des nouveau cailloux FF sont en préparation chez Pentax)

Que de bonnes nouvelles pour les Pentaxistes alors  mais méfiance il y a un mois tout allait pour le mieux chez Kodak pas d'inquiétude à avoir puis aujourd'hui on s'aperçoit qu'ils se séparent de leurs capteurs (qui équipe le 645 et Leica) et de la plupart de leurs brevets 

[Couscousdelight]

Fuji : A propos de leurs nouveaux capteurs 2/3', ils prétendent qu'ils ont une meilleure résolution que tout les capteur actuels FF du marché, rien que ça.

[Mistral75]

Canon :

"Excerpt translation:
– Will you be releasing a mirrorless camera?
Well, the C300 is mirrorless; just very big. But as for a real mirrorless, we will look at the market this coming year in order to make the best decision.

– When you say "look at the market", are you concerned that mirrorless cameras would affect DSLR sales?
No, just that when you look at the current mirrorless systems and how they are used, there are many different approaches.

– For instance?
For mirrorless cameras, being able to change lenses is certainly a big merit. But you have to wonder, are interchangeable lenses really the only point of mirrorless cameras, considering the added size for the lens mount? When you're taking pictures, a standard camera size is fine, but when you're not...

– Right, they're still quite big.
And on either side, we are challenging ourselves to make DSLRs that are smaller, and compacts that have better image quality. So you have to ask if a mirrorless product is really necessary to fill the narrowing gap. Of course, we are more than capable of making a mirrorless camera, if we decide to.

– So you think current mirrorless cameras overlap DSLR and compact markets?
Right.

– But that doesn't mean you wouldn't release a mirrorless that overlaps other markets, right? You mentioned you want to release a mirrorless in 2012.
Well, we want to release a mirrorless next year. But next year, the other markets will also change: there will probably be smaller DSLRs and compacts with greater image quality, which might eat into the mirrorless market.

In short, as the quotations from the interview highlight:
"Do mirrorless cameras really need interchangeable lenses?"
"DSLRs and compacts might eat into mirrorless market"
"Big improvement in image quality for consumer cameras than the past year"

The online PDF is cut short, so I can't tell if any other information was given. But it was not strictly confirmed that Canon will release a mirrorless in 2012; just that IF they decide to release a mirrorless, they want to release it next year."

Crédit à fh et à Mirrorless Rumors

[Mistral75]

Sony :

"Here is a translation of the title and first "Keyword" section of the linked PDF:

Currently considering compact E-mount lenses.
Will they also roll out translucent technology in their top-end models?

Keywords
> Small E-mount lenses for NEX cameras
E-mount lenses have been large considering the size of the NEX bodies, but it looks like high-performance compact lenses are on the way. Sony is emphatic that they won't compromise in terms of either image quality or lens aberrations. With remarks along the lines of "Buy a NEX and stay tuned," we might see an announcement early on next year.

> A 100 megapixel sensor is not outside the realm of possibility
While this remark was made in response to a question about increasing megapixel counts, even the a77 takes advantage of its 24 megapixels in the form of a smart teleconverter to a achieve a zoom function. The odds are good that camera development will move forward on the premise of increased megapixel counts in the future.

> Every company is looking to commercialize electronic shutters
This was a remark made in response to a question about the shift from mechanical to electronic cameras, but seems to allude to the direction the industry will take in terms of camera production. With the a77 fitted with an OLED EVF instead of an OVF, we will be watching Sony's transition to more electronics with keen interest in the future."

Crédit à torode et à Sony Alpha Rumors

[Mistral75]

Sony (suite) :

"Translation of the Sony Interview, Part 1:

There is a certain inevitability in the style of SLR cameras
—With things like the Tohoku Earthquake and flooding in Thailand, I think it was a year full of hardships. And I assume it was also a tough year for you in the sense that you released many new products.
Nagata: I think we managed to launch a number of models that only happens once every few years.
—Translucent mirrors have been filling out Sony's lineup of interchangeable lens cameras. As for the flagship model, the successor to the a900, are you going to make it an orthodox SLR camera and stick to the optical viewfinder?
Nagata: At this stage I can't comment on that, but we do feel that the OLED viewfinders in the a77 and NEX-7 have been well received beyond expectations.
—Can EVFs be improved even more?
Nagata: I think everything made up of electronic devices will continue to evolve in an amazing way.
—That said, the viewfinder in the a900 is far and away the more amazing among interchangeable lens cameras. Is the a900 the last we'll see of an OVF?
Nagata: Well (wry smile), what's certain is that it's difficult to continue producing that product at that price.
"

Crédit : idem, ibidem.

[Mistral75]

Sony (suite et fin) :

"Translation of the Sony Interview, Part 2:

—A change of topic, then. Are you going to continue to preserve the orthodox style of the SLR camera? What I mean is, using translucent mirror technology, it should be impossible to come up with a more revolutionary style of camera.

Nagata: If we put our minds to it we can produce such a camera, yes.

—Does that mean that more people are responsive to an SLR-like style?

Nagata: Rather than that, I think there is a certain inevitability in the form of an SLR camera. It's preferable for the viewfinder to be above the optical axis of the lens, and it's better for the flash to be above the optical axis as well as having some degree of height to avoid the lens. Then you need a grip component so you can grasp the camera firmly. When give shape to these inevitabilities, that's the form you end up with.

—So you're saying that SLR cameras are always going to keep this kind of style, this kind of form.

Nagata: Right. Of course since we've moved to translucent mirrors we have a greater degree of freedom in the pentaprism area. I think batteries will also continue to evolve and probably undergo a slight change in shape as well.

—Speaking of NEX cameras, the lenses are large considering the size of the bodies. Are you considering smaller lenses?

Nagata: Yes, of course.

—What kind of lenses would those be?

Nagata: To start with, we don't want to compromise in terms of image quality or distortion. We can make them smaller and we have many other ideas, including whether to make longer focal lengths as well.

—Still, we have not seen many small, light lenses be released. But you're saying that you've come up with a way to maintain performance and produce a smaller, lighter lens that keeps its high performance?

Nagata: That's right. It might be a good idea to get your hands on a body and stay tuned (laughs)."

Crédit : toujours torode et Sony Alpha Rumors

[lick]

Fuji : A propos de leurs nouveaux capteurs 2/3', ils prétendent qu'ils ont une meilleure résolution que tout les capteur actuels FF du marché, rien que ça.

Y'a une erreur là, non? un capteur 2/3'( donc comme celui du X10) fut-il de nouvelle génération, supérieure à un FF ?

[rascal]

s'ils parlent uniquement de résolution (et encore, faut verifier la traduction), où est le problème ?

[Couscousdelight]

Encore quelques infos glanées dans l'interview de DC watch :

Ricoh songe à un appareil photo dédié au noir & blanc, avec un capteur sans matrice de Bayer.
Et, la trad de l'article Pentax. (source : http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-news-rumors/168982-translation-kitazawa-interview.html )
-- Have there been any changes for Pentax now that you've merged with Ricoh?
Kitazawa: There are things we've wanted to do [at Pentax] that the management has shown a lot of understanding for. This is allowing us to go back to those things. This is a big deal.
-- There are very high expectations from Ricoh.
Kitazawa: Exactly, and because of that there is a lot of pressure on us to meet those expectations.
-- It seems the merger has been a great outcome for Pentax. Pentax users are going to be able to keep their expectations high now going forward as well, aren't they?
Kitazawa: Indeed, and we absolutely want them to be excited.
-- Now that we have the Pentax Q, is there going to be a move towards mirrorless cameras?
Kitazawa: Although it's true that the Q would be considered "mirrorless" if you were to try categorizing it, I would not necessarily say it was made with the specific intention of entering that genre. [edit: I have re-translated the preceding sentence to what I now believe it is actually saying, namely that the Q was not made as a response to mirrorless per se, which is in keeping with Pentax's earlier statements about the objective of the Q. My earlier translation suggested that Pentax does not feel they necessarily need to enter the mirrorless market at all, which I no longer believe to be an accurate translation.]. Listening to our customers' concerns about the size and weight of SLR cameras, we feel we should try to scale down the size of our products as much as possible.
-- In preparing for this interview, I was left with one impression that stood out from many earlier conversations with you, which is that there is still much that can be done to miniaturize SLR cameras more and more.
Kitazawa: That's very true -- they can surely be made smaller.
-- Another thing that stood out was the prediction that going forward we will likely see SLR cameras come out that are built for increasingly specialized purposes. Meanwhile, cheaper SLRs will gradually be replaced by mirrorless cameras.
Kitazawa: Yes. I have the same thoughts even now. Mirrorless cameras can be made inexpensively. I think it is only natural that the lower levels of SLR cameras will come to be replaced by mirrorless alternatives.
-- So, Pentax wouldn't happen to have any new mirrrorless developments this year aside from the Q, would they? (laughter)
Kitazawa: We are exploring various ideas. (laughter) [Mike Cash has indicated the word Mr. Kitazawa used here is generally a very empty promise]
-- Are any of these ideas a departure from what is currently offered in the market for mirrorless cameras?
Kitazawa: Whatever do you mean by that? (sarcastic laugh)
-- Well, what I mean is that with Pentax, even when you show us something that's the same, it is inevitable [that it will be different].
Kitazawa: Now that's a tough question. (sarcastic laugh)
This is just an example of course - but let's say it was a different sensor size. A mirrorless camera with a larger sensor.
Kitazawa: ::non-committal grunt:: [thanks, Mr. Cash]
Well okay, to reword the question then: if Pentax were to make another mirrorless camera, is it possible that it would be full frame? Is that not a possibility?
Kitazawa: So it's come to that point, has it? (laughs) Well... regarding your question of whether or not it is possible to build a mirrorless camera with a full frame sensor: the answer is yes, it is. Now of course, at Pentax what we are aiming for is the highest in image quality.
How are you going about that?
Kitazawa: When you compare 4K and regular high-definition television, regular high-definition really looks quite poor. This is the same high-definition that just ten years ago was so impressive. In practice, when I look at 4K footage -- of landscape scenery for instance -- I get goosebumps.
-- I've compared them too, and the difference is clear.
Kitazawa: Ten years ago no one would have imagined every family would now have a high-def television. Keeping this up, we might all be enjoying 4K or even 8K images in 5 or 10 years... Once we saw incredible image quality, there was really no going back, you know?
-- Yes, one could certainly say that.
I wonder to myself whether we should be aiming for full frame to see the same happen for photography.

here's some more....
-- Well then, wouldn't you rather see the 645 go mirrorless?
Kitazawa: Well, regarding the 645, sooner or later we will want to make it into a mirrorless. The reason is the mirror shock inherent to SLRs. Those very tiny vibrations do have an effect on the final image. I think in the future I would like to pursue mirrorless full-frame and 645 cameras.
-- Oh my, these are quite bold statements. If we were to look at which is more likely, it would be full frame going mirrorless.
Kitazawa: It seems that way.
-- Have you already progressed to that point?
We absolutely have not. I didn't say that, did I? These are just my personal feelings. (laughter)
-- Now that's a lie (laughter). If Pentax is to enter the full frame battle, it looks like the path to victory will be with mirrorless rather than SLR. Right now Leica is the only one offering a full-frame mirrorless camera. There's a big expectation that Pentax will use its efforts to release a camera in that space.
Kitazawa: Because no other manufacturer has yet released a full-frame mirrorless camera, [...]

[Couscousdelight]

-- If that happens, naturally you'll need to completely reformat your lens lineup, won't you?
Kitazawa: Yes, that's right. It would be necessary for us to do this because we will need to come up with designs suitable for digital in order to have dedicated full-frame lenses.
-- So... just for argument's sake, in the context of this conversation (laughter), if Pentax were to come out with a full-frame camera, would it be extremely expensive? Or would it be priced within reach of people like me? [translation is a little muddled here. The interviewer is clearly leading Kitazawa and trying to give him an out from making a definitive statement as to whether we should expect FF]
Kitazawa: No comment (laughter). If - IF - Pentax releases a full-frame camera, I think it would certainly need to be priced within reach of average customers. The 645 is something else...
-- Somehow it feels like a 35mm full-size mirrorless is truly in our near future.
Kitazawa: Near future? Thank you (laughter).
-- Certainly things seem to be leaning that way. I mean, from the direction of this conversation, and Pentax's attitude.
Kitazawa: These are just my personal feelings. Just my thinking!

[edit] UPDATE
- But even if you say it's just your personal stance, Mr. Kitazawa, surely it's still a reflection of what Pentax is thinking?
Kitazawa: No, of course not, this is just my personal thinking.
- Be that as it may, I really want to see it happen soon.
Kitazawa: I think I'd like to get the engine going on those developments. [?]
- If we were to unpack that statement, it would seem to me that this interview has reached its conclusion.
Kitazawa: Eh? Is that so? That's because this conversation has really just been about my personal thinking. (laughter)
- With all this fuss you're making over wanting to pursue greater image quality, one would assume that you are thinking beyond full-frame mirrorless to 645 mirrorless, as well.
- I'd like to examine both players.
- So for SLR cameras you are aiming to make the APS-C format smaller. For mirrorless, you will go 35mm full-frame. And finally, the 645 will go mirrorless as well, correct?
Kitazawa: Thank you very much. It would seem you've been kind enough to sketch out a product map for us, Mr. Tanaka. (laughter)
- Will digital cameras continue to increase in resolution?
Kitazawa: I really don't quite know how much further it will go from here, but I will say we have certainly come to a point of high resolutions. [little unclear on the Japanese here]
-　I have heard people saying that it's no longer clear whether continued increase in sensor resolution will be critical going forward from where we are. What are your thoughts on this?
Kitazawa: I think it will remain necessary. Because it remains possible to resolve even finer details, it may be that there are still degrees of photographic expression not yet realized by where we have come to thus far.
- What will become of AF and SR going into the future? It's alright if this conversation seems like a dream, but do you see more changes there going forward? [I think the interviewer is asking Kitazawa to just speculate, rather than give firm answers on what Pentax is doing with SR and AF in the future, although I can't quite be sure]
Yeah. If you look at autofocus and shake reduction right now, the systems are built as hardware with actual moving parts, right? Naturally I think these systems will continue to improve progressively, but if you look into the future, I believe we will see these functions taken over by electronics.
- Speaking of which - what about the replacement of shutters and aperture mechanisms in the not-so-distant future?
Kitazawa: We can already seeing that happening.
- Even in regards to the aperture, there has been talk about using old-school polarizing filters to fill the same role. [does anyone know what he's talking about? that seems pretty interesting to me]
Kitazawa: That's right. Polarizing filters, liquid-crystal shutters, liquid-crystal apertures... I think all the components which have always until now been objects that moved around mechanically are on their way to being replaced by electronics.
- All those moving parts... gears spinning, the mirror flapping, all of that will be gone. With these mechanical components it feels like your camera is wearing down even as you take photos.
Kitazawa: Right. All those parts wear down. When things switch to mirrorless, the rattling of the mirrors in today's cameras will be a thing of the past. The conversion of all these components to electronic equivalents seems inevitable to me.
Surely cameras also have value and merit simply because they are fine precision instruments. When you turn a dial on your camera, you know that on the inside little gears are spinning, many small components are moving about. It's a pleasant feeling simply holding that in your mind when you are operating your camera. Once it [those mechanical components] go away, it seems cameras will simply become nothing but machines for taking images.
The truth is, from my own perspective, I think I'd like see the mechanical aspect of these machines remain in place. There's a feeling there, like 'this is high-grade', 'this is a value-added item', 'this is something that makes its presence felt'. I think it's absolutely indispensible for us to be able to connect with the things we are using on this level.
Isn't it great to be able to take photographs? Operating a camera, that tactile sensation, the feelings -- they're wonderful and I wonder if more people have come to feel that way.
Kitazawa: I think such people have certainly increased in number, but on the other hand, so have the people who are obsessed with the camera.
The viewfinder is one of the features that Pentax puts a lot of attention into. Ever since the K-7, Pentax has been giving us cameras that -- though they are small -- offer 100% coverage in a beautiful display. Really, to a camera, the viewfinder is very important. When we go mirrorless, do you think it will remain so?
Kitazawa: Yes, it is very important. Last year, if you were to point out something that makes mirrorless cameras different from SLRs, it would certainly have to be the viewfinder. Moving forward at Pentax, we want to make even our entry-level SLR models offer full coverage. Without fail.

[JMS]

En français pour les nuls, la suite ? 

[photobruno]

>JMS
pour Noël peut-être une méthode à 6000 

[eric-p]

En français pour les nuls, la suite ? 

Traduction en "bon" français:
"Les promesses n'engagent que ceux qui y croient !"(proverbe japonais paraît-il !  )

Visiblement, les responsables des grandes firmes ont lancé le championnat de ...langue de bois !

[chris31]

En français pour les nuls, la suite ? 

Pourtant les français vous avez un avantage pour lire l'anglais littéraire , je n'ai pas dit le prononcer. 

Mais pour l'américain l'avantage est perdu.

[fski]

En français pour les nuls, la suite ? 

desole JMS, meme si je lis l'anglais comme le francais, je ne suis pas bon traducteur, c'est un exercice difficile...

disons que pour le francais faudra attendre un peu...comme toujours...mais la c'est quand meme super facile a lire non?

[Shosholoza]

Un petit lien vers les sites qui traduisent en anglais ? ....c'est que j'attend fuji moi 

[JMS]

Je lis aussi l'anglais...mais moins vite que le français ;o) Mais si on demande à Google de traduire du japonais au français, ne saurait-il pas le faire ?

EDIT : oups, pas vu que c'était un PDF, pas fichu de parler l'HTML, au Japon 

[fski]

Je lis aussi l'anglais...mais moins vite que le français ;o) Mais si on demande à Google de traduire du japonais au français, ne saurait-il pas le faire ?

EDIT : oups, pas vu que c'était un PDF, pas fichu de parler l'HTML, au Japon 

je pense que gogole peu le faire...mais attention au resultat...ca peut est coustique 

[Bernard2]

Je lis aussi l'anglais...mais moins vite que le français ;o) Mais si on demande à Google de traduire du japonais au français, ne saurait-il pas le faire ?

EDIT : oups, pas vu que c'était un PDF, pas fichu de parler l'HTML, au Japon 

On peut traduire le PDF en faisant du copier coller dans google mais alors la traduction  c'est complètement farfelu.

On y apprend que Nikon  va lancer un nouveau concept ultra innovant: "la camera clôture de bambou."
c'est un scoop.

je ne résiste pas à vous montrer un extrait de la magnifique traduction de google:

Cette année, Nikon
2011 a été une grande Nikon. Nikon a frappé une grande ville, Sendai, Miyagi nom et maintenant il a finalement commencé à se redresser dans la pointe de flèche est inondations en Thaïlande. Devenu l'arrêt de l'usine principale complètement. À cette fin, a été prévu d'annoncer à l'automne, "gros" en 2012 des modèles qui sont à la rumeur "report" a été. Communiqué de plans pour l'heure de pointe significatives fou, ou pas ça va venir un péage sur leurs nouveaux produits en 2012. Les grandes nouvelles en 2011 et viennent Nikon 1 an. Pour Nikon, depuis le Nikon F, monter la caméra avec le nouveau système était d'environ 50 ans.
- Eh bien, non seulement le successeur de la D3 et D700, je n'est pas vu, dès que les successeurs possibles, comme D7000 Nikon Comme l'an prochain de toute façon, ou est-ce Don Don envisage également de lancer la caméra clôture de bambou? Oui, y compris les procès-verbaux de cette année, l'an prochain nous pensons est bon de faire 出 Shitai Giya à (rires). - D3X est également de 12 mégapixels D700 D3S ainsi de toute façon. Comme le nombre de pixels que beaucoup de gens ne devraient pas se sentir un peu défaut. Comme Nikon que les circonstances actuelles, ce que nous visons une haute sensibilité ne pas augmenter tant le nombre de pixels, ou un moyen d'augmenter le nombre de pixels ou plus, Que pensez-vous autour de cela? Gens en bambou de nombreuses clôtures utilisateurs, en particulier photos de paysages prises Bonne, vous aurez donc un désir de vouloir un appareil qui va prendre des photos haute résolution, veulent sortir résolution de la caméra bien ciblée

[Cptain Flam]

Limpide, on dirait du JarJar Binks!

[Bernard2]

出 Shitai Giya à (rires)

Ce type a un humour fou

[Powerdoc]

出 Shitai Giya à (rires)

Ce type a un humour fou

Excellent 

[JMS]

Excellent, parce qu'une longue focale en bambou c'est enfin l'objectif bio que tout le monde attendait 

[kochka]

 Le bambou est-il celui utilisé pour le coup de bambou des longues focales?

[Philgood60]

Le bambou est-il celui utilisé pour le coup de bambou des longues focales?

Connaissent Gainsbourg les japonais? 

Pour le (bon) coup de Bambou, c'était le mieux placé... 

[luistappa]

Je lis avec crainte dans cette traduction en Français de cuisine japonaise "qu'il va y avoir un péage pour les produits Nikon 2012", Zut suffira plus de les acheter faudra payer l'usage aussi... Si on paye pas la mise çà jour, l'objo ne marche plus... 

[Raphael1967]

"le successeur de la D3 et D700, je n'est pas vu"

Eh bah nous non plus, nous ne sommes pas vu !

[lick]

Bon, finalement photorumors  nous résume tout ça: http://photorumors.com/2011/12/21/better-translation-of-the-interviews-with-camera-manufacturers-about-their-future-products/

[Jojo12]

Pour les nouveautés en matériel photographique Japonais,
le problème risque d'être règlé après l'élection de 2012 :

devront nous , ou pas , commencer à rembourser notre dette .................... 

les boitiers actuels , risquent de perdurer ................. pour beaucoup de monde ........ et les boitiers futurs ont tout le temps pour sortir ..........

[fski]

Résumé salutaire.
Le mot-clé qui revient le plus souvent est: mirrorless.

et bien ca promet de grandes discussions encore ca tiens...

deja qu'il y a des pages sur "le refelx est mort"

[photux]

deja qu'il y a des pages sur "le réflexe est mort"

Le reflex n'est pas mort....il se meurt.

[Powerdoc]

Pourquoi s'en plaindre ?

Pour revendiquer notre "frenchitude"